jamoche: Spock: That's illogical, you raving fucktard (Spock logic fail)
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posted by [personal profile] jamoche at 10:43am on 24/05/2013

If I went into this entirely cold, knowing nothing at all about Khan, this movie would've failed to sell me on why I shouldn't sympathize with him.

First we've got the explosion set off by a Star Fleet officer, but no, he was coerced. OK, but then later we discover the same thing's true of Khan, and while Daddy Redshirt killed 42 of his co-workers to save one little girl, Khan's going after the people who have captured him, experimented on him, forced him to make weapons for them, all while holding 72 people hostage. (Though I'd also buy it if Khan was coerced into coercing Daddy Redshirt. Hard to tell, the conspiracy here is kind of vague. Dreadnought-class ships are kind of big for skunkworks, especially since there's one listed in the original Starfleet Technical Manual...)

So he surrenders and gets hit *repeatedly* by his captor. One shot in anger I could understand, the rest was just "let's show just how hard he is to hurt". This is Star Trek. We're the good guys, we don't torture prisoners. And Spock just stands there? If my friend or CO was hitting a prisoner I'd've been trying to stop him as soon as I saw him pull back for the *first* punch. (Hell, "friend holding back angry best buddy" is a classic trope, almost a cliche when applied to the logic/emotion combo of Kirk & Spock - Abrams should be all over it.)

Then they're working together, and at the moment of triumph he gets shot in the back by an ally. So now it's his turn for the punching in anger - hmm, start with punching, then a knee to the gut - that's a familiar sequence. But tally up who punches who more - it's not Khan.

Then the big fistfight in the air over San Francisco: one pissed-off Vulcan who's lost a captain that he never seemed to be *that* much of a friend to, against a super-soldier who thinks he just got tricked into *blowing up those 72 hostages*.

(And why couldn't Old Spock's advice be "find a nice isolated planet for them, just make sure it's not Ceti Alpha V"?)
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tiferet: Vulcan Sylar should not eat brains (green meat isn't good for you Gabriel)
posted by [personal profile] tiferet at 08:34pm on 24/05/2013
If you loved Gene Roddenberry's optimistic vision of the future in which humanity as a whole (individual exceptions not withstanding) had evolved beyond petty greed and there were not just one or two, but an entire fleet of starships exploring a universe with diverse crews of men and women of all human races and many alien species acting as equals and working together to improve their understanding of the universe and its mysteries, you will not care for this reimagined Trek where the Federation is rife with corruption, Starfleet is run by a handful of middle-aged white male humans and crewed by unsupervised teens of all ages, Uhura is reduced to spending her time alternately enraging and comforting men, Carol Marcus is an incompetent damsel in distress, Kirk beats up prisoners and Spock can't stop crying. Khan's new backstory makes him almost sympathetic by comparison. Darker and 'edgier' is NOT ALWAYS BETTER.

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